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Fox News personality Bill O’Reilly voiced his belief that Caitlyn Jenner should still be referred to by male pronouns because the reality star has yet to undergo gender reassignment surgery, regardless of how Jenner chooses to identify herself.

During Tuesday’s “The O’Reilly Factory,” the talk show host discussed his confusion over misgendering — when an individual is considered to be of a certain gender, regardless of what he or she actually identifies as.

He brought up the topic after NBC contributor Danielle Moodie-Mills, whom O’Reilly referred to as a “loon,” said news outlets should be fined for not correctly identifying transgender people. O’Reilly guest Bernard McGuirck used Jenner in his explanation for O’Reilly, stating: “Well, if you call Caitlyn Jenner ‘he,’ then you’d get a $50,000 fine.”

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“Pardon me for this, but from the waist down, he is a ‘he,’ according to ‘she,’” O’Reilly said.

McGuirck responded, “That’s true, at this point. That could change, I guess. I cringe at the idea.”

Though Jenner has not revealed any plans to undergo gender reassignment surgery, she is living her life as a woman and chooses to be referred to by female pronouns.

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