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America Has Fallen into the Hands of God Haters, Warmongers, and Moral Reprobates

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Reprobate” and “rejected” are the same word here.  Webster’s dictionary defines this word as “not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fitness; disallowed; rejected.”

In times past, it was American leadership worldwide which provided a haven for religious freedom. Now that the U.S. has succumbed to evil it is no longer seen as a protector, but instead as an aggressor, signaling a collapse in virtue the world over. Now that we have turned our back on right and truth we have entered into a period of moral free fall.

If anyone is to blame for the state of worldwide Christian persecution it is America herself due to the betrayal of its own founding principles. Christian persecution is on the rise because the pastors and leaders of America have allowed America to fall into the hands of God-haters, warmongers, and moral reprobates.

I hear all the time Christians saying they welcome the tribulation as a sign of the end times and Jesus’ close return. What we need to realize is God will hold this generation accountable for the moral failings we have allowed, especially concerning the allowance of persecution of his saints. This is despicable reasoning almost demonic and is just another indicator as to how fallen from truth Christians have become in our modern age.

Here is a great verse that nails the moral failings of our country, Christians and pastors.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.  Titus 1:16

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Reprobates and Sinners

 Pre-tribbers. Christians who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture have nothing to show for themselves. The idea that Christians will be raptured (taken bodily up to heaven) before the onset of the apocalyptic tribulation (a) is completely un-biblical, (b) emerged only in the 19th century, and (c) was popularized by the Left Behind novels in the sensationalist way of The DaVinci Code. There are technical problems with this view (namely, there’s not a single Bible passage that lends credence to it) and the more general problem, which is that the early apostles and Christians not only expected to suffer the tribulation before they were raptured; they saw it as their holy duty. In the synoptic gospels, the letters of Paul, and the Book of Revelation, the rapture comes after the tribulation and prior to God’s wrath pouring out over the earth.

Homosexuals/pedophiles. By far the worst group and the two are inseparable; it’s impossible to be one without being the other. Sodomites are not only sinners but actual reprobates, based on the text of Romans 1:18-32. They have been rejected by God for rejecting Him one too many times. God finally got tired of being patient with them, and turned them into sodomites/perverts: “God gave them up to vile affections” (Rom 1:26); “God gave them over to a reprobate mind” (1:28); “God gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts” (1:24). The explanation for homosexuality: “When sodomites say ‘God made me that way’, they’re actually right. But God didn’t make them that way when they were born. God made them that way when they rejected Him (‘glorified Him not as God’) one too many times, and then God discarded them by turning them into homos.” As reprobates, sodomites, unlike most sinners, cannot possibly be saved, nor should anyone want to try saving them: “He that is filthy, let him be filthy still” (Rev 22:11). It’s the whole reason God turned them into sodomites, to begin with: to turn them into the trash, because of their unrelentingly God-hating hearts.

Bible translators/biblical scholars. Almost as bad as the first category, these people are, like the sodomites, irredeemable reprobates. Revelation 22:19, which speaks of anyone who tampers with the Word of God — that is, anyone who either adds or removes from the words of the precious King James Bible, indeed anyone who insists on changing but a single word of that bible — as “blotted out of the Book of Life” and irrevocably damned. Once removed from the book, they can’t be put back in.

Abortion doctors; pro-choice crusaders; women who obtain abortions. Abortion doctors, or any who have some kind of pro-active role in procuring abortions, are especially wicked. They murder the most innocent and vulnerable.

Atheists/evolutionists. They are especially in danger of becoming reprobates — unrelenting “haters of God”, whom the Lord will turn into sodomites (category #1) if they persist in virulently rejecting Him.

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When the American culture did not glorify God as God, we became vain in our imagination and our hearts were darkened.  When we changed the glory of God into the image of a man and began to worship man rather than God, He gave us up to uncleanness.  The so-called sexual revolution followed shortly after some landmark decisions were made to turn away from God in our nation.  Since we, as a culture, changed the truth of God into a lie, we have been turned over to vile affections which have become normalized within our culture.  We are quickly on the road to reprobation as a culture because, on the whole, we do not like to retain God in our knowledge.  This same progression can be seen in the collapse of every human culture.  Consider Greece, Rome, and many others for whom a rejection of the true God brought the same moral and spiritual decay.  Within each of these cultures, however, individuals have always had the ability to repent and trust in God, reject the cultural drift, and accept the truth of God’s Word.

Remember that Romans says that God turned them over to a reprobate mind, that is, He let them have the mind they wanted.  They wanted to reject God and so He turned them over to their desires.  They get what they want.  They don’t want God and so He lets them go.  This is the true and Biblical understanding of what a reprobate is.  Let us all heed the warning that Paul gives to examine ourselves in the faith and make sure that we are not in danger of becoming reprobate.

The time is right for Satan to prosper and bless the sin of sodomy. Soon the devil will be permitted to set up the kingdom of the antichrist. In order to get the people closer to accepting the antichrist, they must accept all forms of immorality and occultism. The devil and his children are making good progress in spreading their sexual immorality and occultism on a worldwide level.

Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings was a huge success for the devil. It literally got millions of children and adults learning about witchcraft and the occult. Now it is time to flood the world with the moral filth of sodomy. TV, radio, and movies will be presenting sodomite shows and will slowly influence and entice many.

People are being flooded with occultism and sexual immorality. Sadly, many will be influenced and choose the temporary pleasures of this lost and dying world for a season.

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No One Is Safe in This Lawless Land… The Un-godly’ tactics are a “systematic shredding of GOD’s will for Mankind and undermining the rule of law.” 

People’s hearts are troubled, their minds are in a state of confusion, the Bible tells us a time of great delusion that will come upon the people, that time has arrived, the politicians must come up with more significant and more believable lies in order to bring on the antichrist, we have entered the doorstep Tribulation.

“Unless God has raised you up for this very thing, you will be worn out by the opposition of man and devils”…

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The Birth Pains Are Growing Stronger….

“Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants.”

My name is Steve Meyers and I need to share a vision and warning that the Lord showed me back in April 2007….

Many of you will ask why I waited so long to share the warning. I didn’t. I shared the story with everyone that would listen from pastors to friends to family to colleagues. Immediately following the initial vision, I called a close friend. I told him to sit down that I had something to tell him. I needed it documented as I knew this was supernatural and from God. As I witness events unfolding today, I need to share the vision again.

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The silencing of the American people before 2020?

“The human heart is an idol factory.”

The Un-Godly — Those That Suppress the Truth, the social media giants built multi-billion dollar empires by giving everyone a voice, but now that they have such a dominant position on the Internet they have decided that many prominent conservative voices should be completely silenced.

Our government has been overthrown. As evidenced by Trump’s capitulation on the border, his recent servitude to the GMO industry and his acquiescence to the warmongers, our President has been compromised. Our liberties are being eliminated one by one. Gun confiscation is next. The Constitution is gasping its last breaths. Our borders are destroyed and our culture has been turned upside down by every perversion known to man.

The Left, a broad term for Liberal Socialist Democrats that can only be explained fully by using the Bible explanation of the human race is as follows. A servant of Satan, because you are either saved or lost. This election has brought out the true nature of who you serve. Simply put, it’s Donald Trump, Conservatives, and Christians against the rest of the world. The Left’s Love applies only to those who believe as they do. They Love evil and commit Anarchy against those who love good. They are governed by lies and never tell the truth. On this Friday, Inaugural Day for the swearing-in of Donald Trump as the 45th President of the United States the Left wants to commit widespread Anarchy to shut down the swearing-in ceremony. Their goal of transforming America, which was founded in Judea Christian values into a Pagan Nation is almost complete. Their goal has always been the total removal of God from American society and the downfall of America. Donald Trump says he is a Presbyterian, but he left off the USA, an apostate church.

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Everything done in dark will be brought to light, being biblically bankrupt will not exclude the elitist.

Let Me Make This Abundantly Clear. (I Am Apolitical) While I Have a General Distaste for Politicians No Matter the Party They Belong To, I Am Unashamedly Politically a Bible Believing Conservative Christian. I Have a Severe Distrust of Government. I Believe It Is the Most Inefficient and Ineffective Way to Accomplish Most Things. While I Strongly Disagree with Liberals/Progressives and Conservative on Most Political Issues, and While I Believe Liberals/Progressives and Most Politicians Are Terribly Misguided and Naive About What Big Government Will Eventually Result In, I Strive to Not Question Their Motives. at the Same Time, While I Find Myself in Agreement with Conservative Politicians on Some Issues, I Do Not Believe Electing Republicans Is the Answer to Everything. for Me, Very Sadly, the Main Difference Between Republicans and Democrats Is How Quickly They Want to Drive the Car Towards the Cliff. Simply Put, I Do Not Believe the Government Is the Solution for Everything. I Do Not Place Any Faith, Trust, or Hope in Any Politicians to Fix What Is Wrong with the World. “Come Lord Jesus!” (Revelation 22:20) StevieRay Hansen

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22 Comments

  1. Katharine W Ford on November 29, 2019 at 10:02 pm

    You say that the verse in Romans chapter 1 indicates that that homosexuality is a sign of being a reprobate, but that isn’t technically what the verse actually says. It states that God gave them them over to a reprobate mind eventually because they did not like to keep God in all of their thoughts, and one of the fruits of their disobedience that eventually led to them being given over, was actively entertaining homosexual lusts and then engaging in homosexual behavior. Homosexuality is caused by unclean spirits. Most people regardless of sexual orientation are aware of what gender they are most attracted to by the age if 7 or 8. So would God condemn a young child of that age to a hopeless and unredeemable fate? Clearly not. You are obviously not familiar with the many cases of homosexual and lesbian people that have been fully delivered from the unclean spirits that caused their homosexuality in the first place (you would sense these accounts are genuine). If you knew of this, you would not conclude that homosexuality is an automatic sign of being unredeemable.

    • StevieRay Hansen on November 29, 2019 at 10:52 pm

      The homosexual agenda is based on intolerance of anyone who disagrees with them and is a well-coordinated, well-financed, wide-ranging, intensive effort to infiltrate and influence organizations and society at large in order to spread misinformation with the goal of recruiting children.
      “We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, …wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us. All churches who condemn us will be closed. Our holy gods are handsome young men. …We shall be victorious because we are fueled with the ferocious bitterness of the oppressed…”

      Michael Swift – Boston Gay Community News – February 15-21, 1987

      Yet pro-homosexual misguided individuals are encouraged to come to schools and teach young children how nice and normal homosexuality is. Today children are actually being indoctrinated about the benefits of homosexuality, in spite of the fact is has been proven to be an unhealthy lifestyle.

      Essentially the trick of “New Speak” was framing the debate through the clever use and abuse of language to re-engineer the culture. This happened in a variety of ways but as new words and definitions are seeded as memes into society, social engineers are able to control and guide the debate around key issues. This is exactly what you just use newspeak, about a people’s mind, about ungodly lifestyle of the sodomites. You have become an enabler, one that promotes death, a denier of the truth can become “Reprobate”

    • Patrick Galasso on November 30, 2019 at 1:38 am

      “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” —Leviticus 18:22

    • Jay on November 30, 2019 at 6:58 am

      You just undermined your own point Katharine. You said that most people are aware of their sexual orientation by age 7 or 8 as if you understand that God made them whatever they are and they usually have it figured out for life by the age you mentioned. And I don’t have any problem with you saying that because Proverbs 16 says “The Lord has made all things for Himself; yes, even the wicked for the day of evil.” But that does not change the fact that God commanded the death penalty for the abomination of homosexuality. Notice that I didn’t call it a sin because while all have sinned, God calls homosexuality an abomination, and no, God does not love those who He said He hates. And the lake of fire where God is sending most of mankind was not designed for those God loves.

  2. Greg Horn on November 29, 2019 at 11:24 pm

    I’m going to correct you on something. I discontinued reading your article after reading this which was the second incorrect statement about God that you made. The first being that homosexuals can never be saved. Not true. Repenting, turning away from one’s old sinful life, being baptized/buried in water, rising cleansed and free of sin and receiving the gift of God’s Spirit . Then putting on your new self, attitude, and walking in the light/teachings of Jesus Christ is offered to ALL. NOW to correct you on your second mistake which is also where I saw no point in continuing to read your article. Revelation 22:18-19; I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of THIS SCROLL: IF anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in THIS SCROLL. And if anyone takes words away from THIS SCROLL OF PROPHECY……
    Your taking that out of context when you apply it to the entire Bible. Not that anyone should change the gospel, it’s just that your referencing the wrong scripture. God bless you. Your brother in Christ.

    • Patrick Galasso on November 30, 2019 at 1:40 am

      The Bible condemns homosexuality. It is NOT our job to criticize and condemn homosexuals; HOWEVER, it is our duty as Christians to proclaim the message of the Word of God that HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. We must preach against the sin; but not condemn the sinner. Only God has the right to condemn anyone. Even Jesus said He didn’t come into the world to condemn people; but He clearly stated that His Word (i.e., God’s Word) will judge the wicked… “And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day” (John 12:47,48). The Word of God condemns all men as guilty sinners (Romans 3:19).

    • Jay on November 30, 2019 at 6:29 am

      What part of “God gave them up” do you not understand?

      • Patrick Galasso on December 5, 2019 at 4:17 am

        Only a fool would defend homosexuality; it is an abomination unto the Lord God (Leviticus 18:22). There is nothing to be proud of! There is no “pride” in rebelling against God in Heaven, i.e., the God of the Bible Who created us. Homosexuality is SIN!
        “Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.” —Proverb 16:5
        God hates sinful pride! God hates it when sinners mock and break His Laws.

  3. joseph on November 30, 2019 at 12:07 am

    Hansen your belief is no different than any other rapture believer, whether it be pre-, mid, or post.
    Anyone who believes in the ‘rapture’ theory is against the Bible for no where does the Bible teach a rapture – it was all brought to the forefront in the 1800s by an ungodly person named scofield, the unholy writ of the scofield bible, who was backed by the ptb. Just like you, set up to push false beliefs – disinformation specialist. Yes, I know your story.
    All supposed scripture referencing a ‘rapture’ is taken out of text just like the people who use the words ‘a day is like unto a thousand years to GOD’ in order to justify their belief we don’t know how long it took GOD for creation – it was clearly six 24hour time periods. It’s likely also the same as your ‘sunday’ worship – it honestly goes against scripture, but who cares right? You have the catholic backed perverted reason for doing it!
    Anyone who states they believe in the ‘rapture’ theory and claims to believe the Bible does not. For if you believed the Bible you would accept the statement ‘it is appointed unto man once to die’ (Hebrews 9:27) – certain you have an excuse why this doesn’t apply. This means – YOU AIN’T GETTING OUT OF THIS WORLD ALIVE! Such is the reason for the ‘rapture’ theory – get it straight – theory. Just like the earth rotates around the sun – it’s a theory, never proven!!!! – folks like to believe lies and think they are gonna miss death.
    People like you love the ‘rapture’ theory cause you love to lead people astray from the real Christ and to perdition. Furthermore, you want to believe you will never have to face hardships for Christ because you know you will give in to Satan and gladly become his to prevent any ‘tribulation’/persecution in your life.
    You, like all the ‘patriots’, hide behind your computer and talk how tough you are but never really face anything.
    Like horne, quayle, and numerous others, you prey on the weak and their fears to make money, and have all sorts of reasons for why it’s alright.
    Truth is free, it isn’t for sale. When it is for sale then it may be the truth, but it is not the whole truth, or it has a lot of falsehoods intermingled.
    Thus, making all you people a bunch of liars and thieves.
    Doesn’t scripture state that ‘liars, thieves, repropates, effeminate males all go to hell without a get out of jail for free card?
    What’s that old adage? Tell a lie big enough; tell it often enough; the lie becomes the truth!
    Just because most people believe a lie does not make it the truth.

    NO, there are enough people trying to imprison and/or kill me now.

    May GOD forgive you for your lies and leading others astray.
    Hope you and many others find the truth before it is everlastingly to late.
    The End truly draweth nigh.

    • Jay on November 30, 2019 at 6:33 am

      Isn’t it interesting how homosexuals like to change the subject to “Rapture” when you start talking about what Gods Holy Word says about homosexuality?

    • peter Lusk on November 30, 2019 at 10:38 am

      I wonder how many on this thread believe Earth is a spinning ball with a magic magnet, shooting through nonexistent space faster than a bullet. That is not in the Script either.

      • Jay on November 30, 2019 at 6:22 pm

        Just come right out and say what you mean Peter. You mean that anyone who believes Gods Holy Word is an ignorant doofus, right? As a Christian and as a pilot, I’m well aware of those magnetic forces that help aircraft steer from one lat/Lon to another as well as the troposphere, tropopause, thermosphere, ionosphere and all the forces and natural illusions that God created when He put this earth together and I’m happy to tell you that even the heavens declare the glory of God. And I can also tell you that in Isaiah chapter 40, if you are educated enough to find that in your Bible, it says that the earth is round. And if the Catholics had been reading their Bible instead of listening to their unholy Popes they would have known that too.

        • peter Lusk on December 1, 2019 at 1:22 am

          Oh I do believe what the Script says, In Psalms it says 3x The Earth is set on it’s foundation and can’t be moved. What you are quoting in the Script in Isaiah, The word circle is used, but a circle is not the same as a sphere and Isaiah did know the difference between a ball and a sphere, because earlier in Isaiah he used the word for ball. Maybe you should re-read Genesis 1. It states that water is above and below the Firmament not empty space. It also states that the Sun, Moon and Stars are IN that Firmament which is between the waters. When Christ returns It states every eye shall see Him which would be impossible on a globe. There are many other examples but you need to take your brainwashed eye glasses off and find out what the Script actually says. God is separating the Wheat from the Chaff.

  4. Rob on November 30, 2019 at 12:15 am

    Sir:

    I would like to encourage you to read the Early Church Fathers writings that refute your idea that the Pre-Tribulation teaching is a late 19th century heresy.

    The disciples from the Apostle John, Paul and church leaders between 50 AD and 380 AD were Sabbath Millennialists. Such is a basic tenet of Dispensational Theology. The early church fathers taught Pre-Millennialism up until the late 4th century at which time the Bishop of Hippo, North Africa, Saint Augustine asserted authority over the church and began interpreting the Bible through an allegorical or spiritualizing Scripture and suppression of anything that took the Scriptures to be a literal, historical, and grammatical in understanding. Bishop Saint Augustine suppressed all and anything that taught the Bible as a literal document. Augustine was a heretic who introduced Anti-Semitism by claiming the Church replaced the Jews, declaring that all the promises of the Bible were transferred to the Church and that God was through with the nation of Israel.

    You can access the 39-volume works of the early church fathers at any seminary library, even on the Internet. It is divided into three sections, and the first section are the writings, sermons, teachings, of the Early Church Fathers from the Apostolic period up to the Council of Nicea. These are the particular church leaders from roughly 50 AD until the late 4th century AD.

    Now if you had know this, you would realize that Pre-Millennialism or Dispensationalism is not from Darby, Irving, Scofield, and created in the late 1800’s. It just is not true and all the critics reveal their ignorance [lack of knowledge] when they state the Pre-Trib Rapture is a new doctrine. That is being dishonest and disingenuous with church history. Now, the Roman Catholics don’t mind a bit if you wish to attack Pre-Millennialism.

    The Bible (i.e., the KJV Bible, and its manuscripts – Masoretic Hebrew and Greek Textus-Receptus are mathematically correct to 98.2%.

    I am an 83 year old retired pastor and can prove to you that the Inspired Word of God is Mathematically Proven True!
    It contains what is known as the “Heptadic Design Feature” from Genesis to Revelation. God is the Master Mathematician and has place his mark of Self-Authentication on the manuscripts used to translate the KJV Bible. I will share this tid bit with you to see if you care to know more truth about the Bible than already know. There are three mathematical properties basic to advanced math and physics. These are Pi, Phi, and Euler. God encoded into Genesis 1:1 the math property of Pi, not to 5 places you learned in school, but to 17 places, which was impossible to solve to 17 places until the beginning of the last century. God also encoded the mathematical property of Euler into the Greek text of the Gospel of John 1:1. As to the mathematical property of Phi, it is encoded through specific measurements noted throughout the Bible with specific structures and their dimensional facts. If you are interested in knowing more about this topic, I would be glad to share with you the information on how God has validated His Word, through mathematical properties and such incredible design patterns identified by the “Heptadic Design Feature”. You may scoff, but the KJV Bible is 98.2% mathematically validated as being true, accurate to the words the Creator gave to his stenographers who recorded Scriptural History, Doctrine, Theology. God has used “Typology”, theme, concept, or idea to communicate His Divine Word.

    Now that I have shared a few nuggets, do you want to learn more, or do you want to live with your parroted idea that the Pre-Trib Rapture is a crock? Feel free to contact me at my email for more than any one can handle about the Word of God. My email address is – EvanTeachr@aol.com. – blessings to you from Pastor Bob Reid.

    • Jay on November 30, 2019 at 6:44 am

      Roman Catholicism is Roman Catholicism. It has nothing to do with the Church, and the Popes to which you refer were not even in existence until 350 AD. Not only that, but the Bible says not to call anyone”Father.” The apostle Paul himself introduced the New Testament believers to the event we call “The Rapture.” In the book of Thessalonians. And remember, The Lord is coming back for a bride that is waiting expectantly for Him. The rest will be left behind. If you are not eagerly and expectantly looking up while awaiting the Lords return, then you are Welcome to stay right here and perish with the rest of the unbelievers who practice homosexuality.

  5. Rumplestiltskin on November 30, 2019 at 1:52 am

    First off: You people are sick, sick, sick….. Must you look for an enemy around every corner in life. Secondly, you morons have no idea who or what your Gods are, and yes they are plural. You would have everyone genuflect and kiss the hand that is humanity’s suppressor. And NO, I don’t mean the devil. That is just too convenient. Your religion has done nothing for humanity since its inception because your religion goes against everything we are as humans. The narrowness of your idealism is what is keeping you from truly following the Golden Rule, because you like your Gods are not all that concerned with whom you hurt as long as you feel satisfaction that you are one of the good slaves.
    Maybe you boys should ask yourselves why your gods said to have no other gods before you? Take a guess. That is the oldest trick in the book, “i am the only one who is righteous” and of course no matter what comes out my mouth you will see what your God tells you to, which will be that you only see the devil coming out my mouth justifying your idiocy of not thinking for yourselves. Have you heard of the term; “The Stockholm Syndrome”? Look it up and then try and discover just who your jailer is. We are not trying to destroy your religion, We are trying to wake you up to all the latest discoveries, which counter what you think you believe. Here is a hint about your gods. THEY ARE ALIENS. THEY HAVE BEEN WATCHING US FOR A MILLENNIA AND IT IS THEY WHO ARE YOUR GODS.

    • Patrick Galasso on November 30, 2019 at 2:06 am

      Listen to what Pastor Harry Ironside correctly says about repentance in chapter 16 of his book, EXCEPT YE REPENT . . .
      “In all that I have written I have failed completely to express what was surging up in my soul if I have given anyone the impression that I think of repentance as something meritorious which must be produced in man by self-effort ere he is fit to come to God for salvation.”

    • peter Lusk on November 30, 2019 at 10:35 am

      Go back in the closet rumples

  6. R Scott Sykes on November 30, 2019 at 3:04 am

    You really need to do some homework on the pre-trig rapture, its obvious you haven’t read much on the topic. Also, your comments re attempting to shoot down the pre-trib rapture contained 0 scriptures which is typical. Also, you still cling to the Anti-Darby nonsense which has been disproven by a number of authors (you can start with Grant Jeffrey…) who have described in great detail a number of early church writings through the years which clearly discuss a pre-trib rapture, (and these days most non-pre-tribbers even acknowledge that – where have you been?), so your info is grossly outdated. There are numerous texts in which church leaders over the years prior to 1800’s who described a pre-trib rapture. Thats a VERY weak argument. And this is not even mentioning “early Church” writings such as the Apostle Paul, John and Peter who clearly pointed to a pre-trib rapture. Also, in your view, what exactly was Paul clarifying in 1 and 2 Thessalonians? He was informing them that they WERE NOT in the Tribulation because the “restrainer” was still here – aka the Holy Spirit manifest in the Church. Also, you managed to lump pre-trib Christians with all of the other groups including non-repentant sinners which is a nice touch not to mention not very Christian, but I digress.

    Additionally, the Tribulation is God’s wrath upon the whole world. If you are a Christian, Jesus already faced God’s wrath. So why would a Christian have to face God’s wrath when Jesus already took that burden for us? That is inconsistent with Salvation.

    Do you not understand how the Tribulation is the last 7 years on the 490 years for the NATION OF ISRAEL, as described in Daniel 9? and doesn’t involve nor is intended for the Church? (are you replacement theology?)

    Also a few questions:

    – How do you explain 1 Thessalonians 1:10, where we are “To wait for His Son from heaven whom he raised from the dead, Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath”…..?

    – How do you explain Revelation 3:10? “I will also keep you from from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth”…… ?

    – How do you explain the absence of the church (on earth) during the Tribulation, Rev 6-18?

    – If the primary mission of the Church is to evangelize, then why does the earth need the two witnesses, the 144,000, and angels to proclaim the gospel during the tribulation?

    – If Christians aren’t taken up until the second coming, who populates the earth during the Tribulation?

    – Who do you think the 24 Elders represent when John first ascended to heaven? Would would have received victors Crowns at this point in time, if not the Church?

    – Are you not familiar with the ancient Jewish wedding customs and what Jesus was referencing in John 14? also in John 14, jesus said that He would come to take His people with Him to the place that He had prepared in the “Fathers House”….This can’t happen at the second coming, because Jesus comes to earth for his 1,000 year reign. So what exactly is Jesus referring to in this passage (John 14:1-3) – Who is Jesus taking to the Father’s House and when does this happen according to your understanding?

    Thanks for clarifying the above

    I suggest you read Renald Showers “Maranatha, Our Lord Comes” or Arnold Fruchtenbaum “Footsteps of the Messiah” or anything by Walvoord or Pentecost.

    • G T on December 3, 2019 at 9:10 am

      “which delivered us from the wrath to come. ” You are confusing tribulation and wrath. All but one of the Apostles were crucified…were they rescued from tribulation in their lives? Note “delivered” is past tense.
      “keep you from” is a poor translation (intentional?) It could just as well be “through”, does not automatically imply avoiding.
      The church is not absent from the tribulation period. There is also a lot of deception about when this period is…(Revelations is not end-to-end chronological).
      The 144K and the angels are not the two witnesses.
      Christians populate the earth during the tribulation.
      “Jesus comes to earth for his 1,000 year reign” This is a very fleshly, physical understanding, it lacks spiritual and metaphoric understanding. Both “comes to earth” and 1000 years are metaphoric…

  7. R Scott Sykes on November 30, 2019 at 7:52 am

    That should be Rev 3:12 not 3:10. Please do some reading, this is an important topic.

  8. G T on December 4, 2019 at 1:11 am

    You keep your eyes shut tight and complain about what others see?

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